Just some advice

[JakenAiken]

Another thing...I saw a guy who joined pogo 1 month...had 20 million tokens within 30 days..hit a huge JP and i kept thinking...hes going to get busted now,,hes on auto all the time...but hes still around.

[bob@pogopal]

DJ, Fatkid,

EA cannot detect auto software using a Java applet. The Java virtual machine severely limits what an applet can see on the client computer. If EA could see anything on your computer, that would be exposed as a security flaw in the JVM and it would soon get patched to close the hole.

Suing EA would be pointless in any case. Even with a rock solid case, your damages are negligible. You use their software by your own volition and permit it to do whatever it does. If a Club Pogo account gets terminated, simply tell your credit card company or payment service that EA did not live up to its end of the agreement and terminated your account arbitrarily and without cause. Since EA cannot prove you used auto software, you will get your Club Pogo subscription fee refunded.

itsme27 is obviously upset--perhaps legitimately--and has made a number of statements that I just don't find credible. I would suggest itsme27 is simply spreading FUD.

[itsme27]

First of all I am not a he. Secondly, I never said I was following the rules and was perfect if you would look through my replies I have stated that I use the programs and was just trying to put the alert out that somehow they are finding the programs. I don't really know how yet or what kind of software they are using. I have been with pogo for five years and if the auto programs were not allowed at the time I purchased it I never saw anything stating it until the programs became more widely talked about. I just wanted everyone to be heads up on the issue not be told how I am upset and blah blah blah. I am not upset with anything but the way people can't try taking some friendly advice and either use it or just ignore it.

[Maelstrom]

It is very limited, but the program cannot function without first searching for requirements. Most installations do this automatically, where it will find info on your pc about what OS you use, what resolution you have it set at, how many colors you use, what browser your using to play the game, and what Java software it uses.
Not only that, but it also has to scan your Cache for the game. Most people don't even empty their Temporary Internet Files(Cache) folder and that's why some people still get oreo's on Poppit.
If the game isn't found, it has to download it. If it is found, then the server loads the game for you.
Everything else is stored on the server databanks, and saved periodically. I find it hard to believe that it's legal to scan a pc for cheat programs. It violates your own personal rights, but they can take action if they suspect you of using cheats or you happened to have been reported by another member.
Punkbuster is a client, not a server scan. You choose to use it, and it's the only legal way of scanning a pc for cheats so others know your playing without them. If you do not have the client, then you cannot join the server. Still there are many ways to hide files from clients such as punkbuster, but if your caught you risk being kicked or banned either way.

[fatkid]

Bob,
I totally agree that the Java applet is severely limited in its ability to see a client's computer.  But no where in the TOS does it say that by playing these games are you only going to be running a java applet.  "When you connect to EA Online, we may retrieve information from the computer used to log onto the Service about the computer's hardware system and any data related to the computer's operation of EA Online Software."  Now I'm still not saying I've ever seen evidence of this.  I agree FUD is a pretty good term here...  All I'm going at is it doesn't have to be from the Java that the scan comes from, easy enough to piggy-back something from the Pogo.com site though I'm sure...  Once again I will state, I was only playing the Devil's advocate... Just busting balls for the sake of busting balls... :)

Maelstrom,
Yeah I know that PunkBuster is a client side scan.  I was only using it as an example for those that knew what PunkBuster did.  The idea was still the same though; a scan that would make sure all was running legit and then you were good to play the game/win a jackpot/enter a drawing/etc...

[bob@pogopal]

Hi Fatkid,

I have my browser set to prompt me for whether to allow anything that could access my computer. (I detest flash.) Pogo uses java applets.

I realise you were just playing devil's advocate. I was just pointing out why itsme27's statements lack credibility.


Maelstrom,

The jvm itself searches the cache--not the applet that EA writes. The jvm has access to your computer; the java applet does not.


itsme27,

EA can terminate any account at any time for any reason giving any excuse. (Pogo is their sandbox, and they can do whatever they want.) They cannot directly detect auto software. If the auto software performs inhuman feats, they can observe the inhuman feats and indirectly infer that someone is using auto software. However, nothing prevents them from terminating an account and lying to the account holder about their ability to detect auto software.

I will leave it for others reading your posts to decide for themselves whether you appear upset about anything.

[fatkid]

Come on Bob... You should give in to the FUD (fear uncertainty doubt; for those that don't know)...  It helps to make everyone's life better... ::)

[admin]

itsme27, I believe you think that Pogo scanned your computer for autos after you/your friend won the JP, because often after a jackpot win, Pogo will do basically a "token audit" and look to see if there are any suspicious token patterens. And if they see anything that they don't like, (or even if they don't) they can withhold the jackpot. (Even without any proof, just like Bob said above.)

You may have thought my previous posts were rude, and my apologies if you interpreted them that way. But I wanted to make very clear that it is not true that Pogo knows what programs you have on your computer. The biggest problem I have with your post is that you posted your guesses as fact, and in doing so could have made many users paranoid, on something that was just not true.

[Maelstrom]

I don't agree or disagree. My advice is just to choose. Plain and simple.

[Homer]

Boy, alot of food for thought here. Thanks to all for their input. ;)

[JakenAiken]

In your first post when you talked about not being able to get your programs back and then you said " Any way that doesn't matter cause later pogo came out with the announcement that all cheat programs were not allowed." led me to believe that you don't use them anymore.

[pogo player]

it is none of pogo's business if you are cheating or not.

[Lywarior1]

OK I've brought and used a few of these autos on pogo and had no problems on this. But it has been my understanding that pogo cant tell when you are or if you are using the autos thats what it says when you buy them. plus I don't make it known that I'm using the autos, I will let it lose a few games just to make sure. And I'm not stupid enought to adverst in the chat rooms like I see some stupid people doing.  If I play whackdown I will hit take score before it fills in all of the words.  With tri peaks you don't have to worry about it. Plus I do have spy wear softwear on my PC and that will stop anyone including pogo from hacking into my computer.  I have two different spy wear programs running on my PC.  I'd like to see pogo try to heck into my PC.


LIFE IS A MYSTERY TO BE LIVED ITS NOT A PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED!

[Homer]

I don't believe pogo hacks anyone's computer. If they did their would be much more banning *wink wink* going on. Not to mention potential legal problems. I do believe that they check something. What are they checking? Not sure, maybe hours logged on, number of tokens won or complaints from other members. I do not believe they expend alot of time and resources trying to track down auto users. Like it has been stated here many times....pogo can and will ban your account for anything they feel is justififed.

Just my $0.02  ;)

[pogo player]

I don't believe pogo hacks anyone's computer. If they did their would be much more banning *wink wink* going on. Not to mention potential legal problems. I do believe that they check something. What are they checking? Not sure, maybe hours logged on, number of tokens won or complaints from other members. I do not believe they expend alot of time and resources trying to track down auto users. Like it has been stated here many times....pogo can and will ban your account for anything they feel is justififed.

Just my $0.02  ;)

no one cares if any one is using auto or not.  pogo just doesnt encourage cheating on their games.

[ronandamee1]

it is none of pogo's business if you are cheating or not.

??? Thats like saying its none of the state's business how I won the lottery 3 times this month. Pogo is allowing you to play some pretty awesome games for free with a chance to win a jackpot. Pogo is the best gamesite around. It is definitely Pogo's business who is cheating or not(if they want it to be). If you really think about it our chances of winning a jackpot are like 10 times better than some poor schmoe playing without an auto. We violate their TOS. Its that simple. to say its none of their business is childish.

[Homer]

Speaking of the lottery....don't forget the Homer tax.  :P ;)

[pogo player]

it is none of pogo's business if you are cheating or not.

??? Thats like saying its none of the state's business how I won the lottery 3 times this month. Pogo is allowing you to play some pretty awesome games for free with a chance to win a jackpot. Pogo is the best gamesite around. It is definitely Pogo's business who is cheating or not(if they want it to be). If you really think about it our chances of winning a jackpot are like 10 times better than some poor schmoe playing without an auto. We violate their TOS. Its that simple. to say its none of their business is childish.

you take it to seriously.  and i dont think that you would have a bigger chance at winning any jackpot. you might get more jackpot spins or something like that but no one ever wins the jackpot if you know what i mean. soooooooooooooooo many people use auto, and if pogo really cared about it they would take a good look at all the people who are clearly using auto, im sure you could find some somewhere, and ban them.  they would do more then just warn people not to use it.  btw you sound like someone who just came to this site and doesnt use auto trying to discourage the people who do.  do you use auto?   

[bob@pogopal]

It's probably safe to say YZ uses autos. I found his commentary well thought and accurate; although, I found his numerical analysis somewhat lacking.

Pogo is EA's sandbox. Your computer is your sandbox. One can argue that what goes on on your computer is none of Pogo's business, but to a certain extent you make it Pogo's business by using their service.

[ronandamee1]

I definitely do use autos. Whoever first came up with idea of autos deserves a reward. All I am saying is Pogo is not the bad guy. Pogo is a great gaming site (probably the best) and to say it is none of their business if you are cheating on their site is ludacris. I am not trying to discourage anyone from doing anything. I think Bob explained my post well. I just don't understand why people complain about getting banned from pogo for cheating and blame Pogo. I use auto's, if I get caught its my fault for violating their TOS. As far as me being new and just coming here to discourage people from cheating. You caught me. I posted 208 posts trying to stop people from cheating pogo. My own personal crusade. Like the unofficial wendy's spokesman. I am the unofficial Pogo spokesman. So watch out everyone.....I am watching you. :o

BTW I will not be personally posting a reward to the makers of autos...so don't bother PMing me. I already owe Mayhem. Check is in the mail