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Posted by Gecko
- August 01, 2006, 08:07:11 PMQuote from: Tara on July 29, 2006, 06:17:17 PMlol Tara a hit n run from downunder you would have to have at least quads to make it even half ur worthwhile :)) :)) anyone asks say mel gibson is the father he,s populer again now for all the wrong reasons :ppQuote from: Gecko on July 29, 2006, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Tara on July 29, 2006, 06:05:47 PMum an aussie father to your 3 babies that means homer would have to become an aussie hey and maybe he could work with the croc hunter lol wouldnt that be a sight for sore eyes :))
No, not me. But if I do I'm having 3 babies before I leave.. :)) :)) :))
I was just going to collect the money and run.
Posted by Gecko
- July 29, 2006, 06:47:31 PMQuote from: Tara on July 29, 2006, 06:17:17 PMyou have to have the babys here and be a citzen as well just think you could learn to talk like we do wouldnt homer love that an aussie talkin britching woman :))Quote from: Gecko on July 29, 2006, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Tara on July 29, 2006, 06:05:47 PMum an aussie father to your 3 babies that means homer would have to become an aussie hey and maybe he could work with the croc hunter lol wouldnt that be a sight for sore eyes :))
No, not me. But if I do I'm having 3 babies before I leave.. :)) :)) :))
I was just going to collect the money and run.
Posted by Tara
- July 29, 2006, 06:17:17 PMQuote from: Gecko on July 29, 2006, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Tara on July 29, 2006, 06:05:47 PMum an aussie father to your 3 babies that means homer would have to become an aussie hey and maybe he could work with the croc hunter lol wouldnt that be a sight for sore eyes :))
No, not me. But if I do I'm having 3 babies before I leave.. :)) :)) :))
I was just going to collect the money and run.
Posted by Gecko
- July 29, 2006, 06:15:46 PMQuote from: Tara on July 29, 2006, 06:05:47 PMum an aussie father to your 3 babies that means homer would have to become an aussie hey and maybe he could work with the croc hunter lol wouldnt that be a sight for sore eyes :))
No, not me. But if I do I'm having 3 babies before I leave.. :)) :)) :))
Posted by Tara
- July 29, 2006, 06:05:47 PMNo, not me. But if I do I'm having 3 babies before I leave.. :)) :)) :))
Posted by Gecko
- July 29, 2006, 05:57:51 PMdoes anyone think ive made you dislike comming to Australia over this topic , my reasons for this topic was to show how diff our goverments are as we cant judge australia or australians over what the goverment thinks would be better off for us , the point i was making with this topic was that we have an imigration policy and now a baby bonus personly i think women in general with babys need more than this pittance there offering mothers , and like introduced things i think if any goverment is giving handouts for having a baby then it should at least be age capped so as not to see our young ppl trying to get banged up just for money
, this topic no way reflects on me knocking our country its a topic and thats all it was ment to be , so if any aussies at all got offended by what i posted here it wasnt ment to offend anyone nor put our beautiful country Australia down in any way shape or form
:-[
, this topic no way reflects on me knocking our country its a topic and thats all it was ment to be , so if any aussies at all got offended by what i posted here it wasnt ment to offend anyone nor put our beautiful country Australia down in any way shape or form
:-[
Posted by foxx
- July 25, 2006, 05:20:11 PMQuote from: ABraveLady on July 25, 2006, 05:03:42 PMQuote from: foxx on July 25, 2006, 01:41:49 PMQuote from: ABraveLady on July 25, 2006, 01:36:18 PMQuote from: foxx on July 25, 2006, 11:43:45 AMQuote from: Ungrateful Alive on July 25, 2006, 11:39:35 AM
I live on CO and in this state you can get on housing, you move to the projects and pay about 100 a month or less for rent. You do not have to pay water or gas in these. You have to pay electric, but we have a thing called diversion that will take care of that bill, then you can receive TANF that will give you cash depending on how big your family is. That alone can take care of rent and phone. Then you get WIC to buy the basic necessities and food stamps to buy the rest of your food needs. We even have a restaurant in town that takes food stamps for take and bake pizza. Trust me, this is the busiest place in my town. Then we have posada that can help with school clothes and help finding a car and basically anything else. Then you can get on medicaid and not have to pay any medical expenses. Then you can get on SSI for a little extra income. Whewwww. I think thats about it. Oh I forgot Catholic Charities that will help pay utilities and rent also.
Similar to Pennsylvania benefits...
...but to assume that people enjoy living like this, or that they are raking in the dough and MAKING MONEY from the government is just ludicrous. If you all really wanna get pissed at people taking advantage of the government, look at the oil companies, Halliburton and the super rich. They probably pay less in taxes than you do.Quote from: liebe_angel on July 25, 2006, 10:02:27 AM
ummm lets see how they do it!!! section8 housing, food stamps, plus the wic. and lets not forget "ABOUT" some not all of them drug deals goes a long way or it is here I mean come on there a family that has a 2002 jag that is on welfare in section-8 housing having kids left and right now you tell me what's happening. ok I'll stop before I really start ranting
To assume that drug dealers are people taking advantage of the welfare system is a dangerous path to go down.
I totally agree that most people do not enjoy living on welfare, but I know for a fact there are a lot who wouldn't TRY to get off the welfare rolls for anything. Valerie, the girl I was speaking about who took her kids to DLand 2x a year - her father owned a car dealership and tried to get her to work there and her mother was a legal secretary for a city in Los Angeles County and tried to get her to work there too, but Valerie wouldn't do it. She had no motivation. She was thrilled to sit home all day watching soaps !
There is always a rotten apple in the bunch. But...a family/individual can only be on TANF/General Assistance for 5 years in their LIFETIME. The work requirements kick in after 6 months. Perhaps this one woman found her way around the system, but this is not the majority of people. That's all I am trying to say.
Believe it or not Foxx, you made my day. I researched TANF and found that it went into effect in 1997. The case I was speaking of was in 85-87 (87 is when I moved away and didn't keep in touch with her). She had been making welfare (as it was then called) her career path and it irked the heck out of me because I was working my tail off while she sat home doing nothing. 1x a month I would take her grocery shopping and help her pick out healthy but yummy food for the family that she could make. I found out she was taking a lot of it back to the store for cash and doing the McD thing.
Many years ago I had also seen a program on a 60 minutes type show that went into detail about how the welfare system was being abused and they actually referred to the families as 1st generation, 2nd generation, 3rd generation welfare recipients, etc. I hope that when those people got knocked off the rolls they were able to become productive, contributing members of society and I mean that.
Now, all that said, I also found this and it's a quote directly from the TANF website listed under FACT SHEET:
" * States may extend assistance beyond 60 months to not more than 20 percent of their caseload. They may also elect to provide assistance to families beyond 60 months using state-only funds or Social Services Block Grants."
So, though I am thrilled to see that it's harder to do, it is very possible for families to continue to collect via state funds, and some even via TANF funds, which brings us back to the point that yes, they can sit on the rolls for years and years and years - far beyond 5 years - on SOME SORT of welfare program.
I am always glad to help out with information! Just for reference, the SSBG's are normally awarded through DPW to non-profit agencies such as mine, which helps to move these families toward self-sufficiency...so there is not usually any money to extend people's clocks...
Glad you researched it! The internet can be such a powerful tool...ya just gotta know where to start!
:/\
Posted by Stinkerbell
- July 25, 2006, 05:03:42 PMQuote from: foxx on July 25, 2006, 01:41:49 PMQuote from: ABraveLady on July 25, 2006, 01:36:18 PMQuote from: foxx on July 25, 2006, 11:43:45 AMQuote from: Ungrateful Alive on July 25, 2006, 11:39:35 AM
I live on CO and in this state you can get on housing, you move to the projects and pay about 100 a month or less for rent. You do not have to pay water or gas in these. You have to pay electric, but we have a thing called diversion that will take care of that bill, then you can receive TANF that will give you cash depending on how big your family is. That alone can take care of rent and phone. Then you get WIC to buy the basic necessities and food stamps to buy the rest of your food needs. We even have a restaurant in town that takes food stamps for take and bake pizza. Trust me, this is the busiest place in my town. Then we have posada that can help with school clothes and help finding a car and basically anything else. Then you can get on medicaid and not have to pay any medical expenses. Then you can get on SSI for a little extra income. Whewwww. I think thats about it. Oh I forgot Catholic Charities that will help pay utilities and rent also.
Similar to Pennsylvania benefits...
...but to assume that people enjoy living like this, or that they are raking in the dough and MAKING MONEY from the government is just ludicrous. If you all really wanna get pissed at people taking advantage of the government, look at the oil companies, Halliburton and the super rich. They probably pay less in taxes than you do.Quote from: liebe_angel on July 25, 2006, 10:02:27 AM
ummm lets see how they do it!!! section8 housing, food stamps, plus the wic. and lets not forget "ABOUT" some not all of them drug deals goes a long way or it is here I mean come on there a family that has a 2002 jag that is on welfare in section-8 housing having kids left and right now you tell me what's happening. ok I'll stop before I really start ranting
To assume that drug dealers are people taking advantage of the welfare system is a dangerous path to go down.
I totally agree that most people do not enjoy living on welfare, but I know for a fact there are a lot who wouldn't TRY to get off the welfare rolls for anything. Valerie, the girl I was speaking about who took her kids to DLand 2x a year - her father owned a car dealership and tried to get her to work there and her mother was a legal secretary for a city in Los Angeles County and tried to get her to work there too, but Valerie wouldn't do it. She had no motivation. She was thrilled to sit home all day watching soaps !
There is always a rotten apple in the bunch. But...a family/individual can only be on TANF/General Assistance for 5 years in their LIFETIME. The work requirements kick in after 6 months. Perhaps this one woman found her way around the system, but this is not the majority of people. That's all I am trying to say.
Believe it or not Foxx, you made my day. I researched TANF and found that it went into effect in 1997. The case I was speaking of was in 85-87 (87 is when I moved away and didn't keep in touch with her). She had been making welfare (as it was then called) her career path and it irked the heck out of me because I was working my tail off while she sat home doing nothing. 1x a month I would take her grocery shopping and help her pick out healthy but yummy food for the family that she could make. I found out she was taking a lot of it back to the store for cash and doing the McD thing.
Many years ago I had also seen a program on a 60 minutes type show that went into detail about how the welfare system was being abused and they actually referred to the families as 1st generation, 2nd generation, 3rd generation welfare recipients, etc. I hope that when those people got knocked off the rolls they were able to become productive, contributing members of society and I mean that.
Now, all that said, I also found this and it's a quote directly from the TANF website listed under FACT SHEET:
" * States may extend assistance beyond 60 months to not more than 20 percent of their caseload. They may also elect to provide assistance to families beyond 60 months using state-only funds or Social Services Block Grants."
So, though I am thrilled to see that it's harder to do, it is very possible for families to continue to collect via state funds, and some even via TANF funds, which brings us back to the point that yes, they can sit on the rolls for years and years and years - far beyond 5 years - on SOME SORT of welfare program.
Posted by foxx
- July 25, 2006, 01:41:49 PMQuote from: ABraveLady on July 25, 2006, 01:36:18 PMQuote from: foxx on July 25, 2006, 11:43:45 AMQuote from: Ungrateful Alive on July 25, 2006, 11:39:35 AM
I live on CO and in this state you can get on housing, you move to the projects and pay about 100 a month or less for rent. You do not have to pay water or gas in these. You have to pay electric, but we have a thing called diversion that will take care of that bill, then you can receive TANF that will give you cash depending on how big your family is. That alone can take care of rent and phone. Then you get WIC to buy the basic necessities and food stamps to buy the rest of your food needs. We even have a restaurant in town that takes food stamps for take and bake pizza. Trust me, this is the busiest place in my town. Then we have posada that can help with school clothes and help finding a car and basically anything else. Then you can get on medicaid and not have to pay any medical expenses. Then you can get on SSI for a little extra income. Whewwww. I think thats about it. Oh I forgot Catholic Charities that will help pay utilities and rent also.
Similar to Pennsylvania benefits...
...but to assume that people enjoy living like this, or that they are raking in the dough and MAKING MONEY from the government is just ludicrous. If you all really wanna get pissed at people taking advantage of the government, look at the oil companies, Halliburton and the super rich. They probably pay less in taxes than you do.Quote from: liebe_angel on July 25, 2006, 10:02:27 AM
ummm lets see how they do it!!! section8 housing, food stamps, plus the wic. and lets not forget "ABOUT" some not all of them drug deals goes a long way or it is here I mean come on there a family that has a 2002 jag that is on welfare in section-8 housing having kids left and right now you tell me what's happening. ok I'll stop before I really start ranting
To assume that drug dealers are people taking advantage of the welfare system is a dangerous path to go down.
I totally agree that most people do not enjoy living on welfare, but I know for a fact there are a lot who wouldn't TRY to get off the welfare rolls for anything. Valerie, the girl I was speaking about who took her kids to DLand 2x a year - her father owned a car dealership and tried to get her to work there and her mother was a legal secretary for a city in Los Angeles County and tried to get her to work there too, but Valerie wouldn't do it. She had no motivation. She was thrilled to sit home all day watching soaps !
There is always a rotten apple in the bunch. But...a family/individual can only be on TANF/General Assistance for 5 years in their LIFETIME. The work requirements kick in after 6 months. Perhaps this one woman found her way around the system, but this is not the majority of people. That's all I am trying to say.
Posted by Stinkerbell
- July 25, 2006, 01:36:18 PMQuote from: foxx on July 25, 2006, 11:43:45 AMQuote from: Ungrateful Alive on July 25, 2006, 11:39:35 AM
I live on CO and in this state you can get on housing, you move to the projects and pay about 100 a month or less for rent. You do not have to pay water or gas in these. You have to pay electric, but we have a thing called diversion that will take care of that bill, then you can receive TANF that will give you cash depending on how big your family is. That alone can take care of rent and phone. Then you get WIC to buy the basic necessities and food stamps to buy the rest of your food needs. We even have a restaurant in town that takes food stamps for take and bake pizza. Trust me, this is the busiest place in my town. Then we have posada that can help with school clothes and help finding a car and basically anything else. Then you can get on medicaid and not have to pay any medical expenses. Then you can get on SSI for a little extra income. Whewwww. I think thats about it. Oh I forgot Catholic Charities that will help pay utilities and rent also.
Similar to Pennsylvania benefits...
...but to assume that people enjoy living like this, or that they are raking in the dough and MAKING MONEY from the government is just ludicrous. If you all really wanna get pissed at people taking advantage of the government, look at the oil companies, Halliburton and the super rich. They probably pay less in taxes than you do.Quote from: liebe_angel on July 25, 2006, 10:02:27 AM
ummm lets see how they do it!!! section8 housing, food stamps, plus the wic. and lets not forget "ABOUT" some not all of them drug deals goes a long way or it is here I mean come on there a family that has a 2002 jag that is on welfare in section-8 housing having kids left and right now you tell me what's happening. ok I'll stop before I really start ranting
To assume that drug dealers are people taking advantage of the welfare system is a dangerous path to go down.
I totally agree that most people do not enjoy living on welfare, but I know for a fact there are a lot who wouldn't TRY to get off the welfare rolls for anything. Valerie, the girl I was speaking about who took her kids to DLand 2x a year - her father owned a car dealership and tried to get her to work there and her mother was a legal secretary for a city in Los Angeles County and tried to get her to work there too, but Valerie wouldn't do it. She had no motivation. She was thrilled to sit home all day watching soaps !
Posted by damian666
- July 25, 2006, 11:48:23 AMQuote from: foxx on July 25, 2006, 11:43:45 AMQuote from: Ungrateful Alive on July 25, 2006, 11:39:35 AM
I live on CO and in this state you can get on housing, you move to the projects and pay about 100 a month or less for rent. You do not have to pay water or gas in these. You have to pay electric, but we have a thing called diversion that will take care of that bill, then you can receive TANF that will give you cash depending on how big your family is. That alone can take care of rent and phone. Then you get WIC to buy the basic necessities and food stamps to buy the rest of your food needs. We even have a restaurant in town that takes food stamps for take and bake pizza. Trust me, this is the busiest place in my town. Then we have posada that can help with school clothes and help finding a car and basically anything else. Then you can get on medicaid and not have to pay any medical expenses. Then you can get on SSI for a little extra income. Whewwww. I think thats about it. Oh I forgot Catholic Charities that will help pay utilities and rent also.
Similar to Pennsylvania benefits...
...but to assume that people enjoy living like this, or that they are raking in the dough and MAKING MONEY from the government is just ludicris. If you all really wanna get pissed at people taking advantage of the government, look at the oil companies, Halliburton and the super rich. They probably pay less in taxes than you do.Quote from: liebe_angel on July 25, 2006, 10:02:27 AM
ummm lets see how they do it!!! section8 housing, food stamps, plus the wic. and lets not forget "ABOUT" some not all of them drug deals goes a long way or it is here I mean come on there a family that has a 2002 jag that is on welfare in section-8 housing having kids left and right now you tell me what's happening. ok I'll stop before I really start ranting
To assume that drug dealers are people taking advantage of the welfare system is a dangerous path to go down.
These entities can afford lawyers to find every loophole to bring down how much taxes they pay, so I will agree that they probably pay less then me. >:((
Posted by Libra
- July 25, 2006, 11:46:34 AMQuote from: Spoonz on July 25, 2006, 10:22:19 AM
I currently live in the NE. When I was a teenager and living with my father, stepmom, 2 stepsisters, and my half brother in Oklahoma, we got Section 8 housing, food stamps, and welfare. All the while, my stepmom was working her tuckus off and my father sat on his happy behind. So yeah, I've been there and it's far from fun.
Libra, you need to start using coupons and quit the Costco! Buying in bulk is not always the cheapest route.
Yeah, it is for the things we buy. We only buy meats, toilet paper and paper towels It saves us about $200 a month.
And Spoonz? I grew up in almost an identical enviroment in Appalachia. And it IS far from fun. I spent many of winter nights growing up with no heat.
Posted by foxx
- July 25, 2006, 11:43:45 AMQuote from: Ungrateful Alive on July 25, 2006, 11:39:35 AM
I live on CO and in this state you can get on housing, you move to the projects and pay about 100 a month or less for rent. You do not have to pay water or gas in these. You have to pay electric, but we have a thing called diversion that will take care of that bill, then you can receive TANF that will give you cash depending on how big your family is. That alone can take care of rent and phone. Then you get WIC to buy the basic necessities and food stamps to buy the rest of your food needs. We even have a restaurant in town that takes food stamps for take and bake pizza. Trust me, this is the busiest place in my town. Then we have posada that can help with school clothes and help finding a car and basically anything else. Then you can get on medicaid and not have to pay any medical expenses. Then you can get on SSI for a little extra income. Whewwww. I think thats about it. Oh I forgot Catholic Charities that will help pay utilities and rent also.
Similar to Pennsylvania benefits...
...but to assume that people enjoy living like this, or that they are raking in the dough and MAKING MONEY from the government is just ludicrous. If you all really wanna get pissed at people taking advantage of the government, look at the oil companies, Halliburton and the super rich. They probably pay less in taxes than you do.
Quote from: liebe_angel on July 25, 2006, 10:02:27 AM
ummm lets see how they do it!!! section8 housing, food stamps, plus the wic. and lets not forget "ABOUT" some not all of them drug deals goes a long way or it is here I mean come on there a family that has a 2002 jag that is on welfare in section-8 housing having kids left and right now you tell me what's happening. ok I'll stop before I really start ranting
To assume that drug dealers are people taking advantage of the welfare system is a dangerous path to go down.
Posted by damian666
- July 25, 2006, 11:39:35 AMI live on CO and in this state you can get on housing, you move to the projects and pay about 100 a month or less for rent. You do not have to pay water or gas in these. You have to pay electric, but we have a thing called diversion that will take care of that bill, then you can receive TANF that will give you cash depending on how big your family is. That alone can take care of rent and phone. Then you get WIC to buy the basic necessities and food stamps to buy the rest of your food needs. We even have a restaurant in town that takes food stamps for take and bake pizza. Trust me, this is the busiest place in my town. Then we have posada that can help with school clothes and help finding a car and basically anything else. Then you can get on medicaid and not have to pay any medical expenses. Then you can get on SSI for a little extra income. Whewwww. I think thats about it. Oh I forgot Catholic Charities that will help pay utilities and rent also.
Posted by Stinkerbell
- July 25, 2006, 10:49:43 AMI started a new thread regarding grocery bills. I hope you'll all check it out.