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Posted by goody1701d
- July 29, 2005, 07:26:12 AMQuote from: TexasGuy on July 28, 2005, 07:31:04 PM
If you watch someone in poker you cant see there cards, they are blocked out.
Hmmm I could have sworn it allows the watcher to see the cards, doesn't matter I guess, but makes it kind of pointless to watch.
Posted by weaseLL
- July 28, 2005, 07:49:20 PMvery well said Max O0
Posted by TexasGuy
- July 28, 2005, 07:31:04 PMQuote from: goody1701d on July 28, 2005, 07:52:27 AM
Actually there are ways of viewing other player's hands, simply create a second club pogo account and watch the other player's using that one. The easiest way to prevent it is to set up your own game and make sure that the box next to allow players to watch is unchecked, if your at a table where someone is watching hands you know who set up the table.
If you watch someone in poker you cant see there cards, they are blocked out.
Posted by goody1701d
- July 28, 2005, 08:02:32 AMNeither do I, thats why I play the robots, they may have ungodly luck, but atleast I'm not loosing tokens because of it.
Posted by Barbara
- July 28, 2005, 07:59:11 AMI have no respect for people who cheat in the head to head games.
Posted by goody1701d
- July 28, 2005, 07:52:27 AMActually there are ways of viewing other player's hands, simply create a second club pogo account and watch the other player's using that one. The easiest way to prevent it is to set up your own game and make sure that the box next to allow players to watch is unchecked, if your at a table where someone is watching hands you know who set up the table.
Posted by touitsjesse
- January 09, 2005, 09:55:33 AMI agree barbara...why would someone do it, guess most of us will never know, but i was told in my first week of of college, whe i was taking my computer classes...they said why people cheat and hack...because they can. For some it may be a means of having the highest token count, for some it may be gaining tokens to try and cash in to try and win one of the drawings, but i'd say for most its just because..I often wonder why they do it, but like i said, i guess most of us will never know.
I started this post becausei knew it would spark some interest an comcern maybe others had but was afraid to bring it up because of its sensitivity. i always stood up for what i believe in and i always will. I never meant to start the rumours flying or never said names or pointed blame to anyone. I never claimed to know it all just my many years of knowledge and hands on and know how..i still have lots to learn and i neve doubt or deny that.
But as with all other forums this is place to speak your mind on YOUR opinions to see if others share the same interest or concerns. I know over the last couple of weeks, i have probably read many differant concerns on this matter and have gladly taken in every one of them. Sadly to say for some, i still beleive what i want to believe and thats what makes me differant. If we all thought the same wouldnt this be the most boring place on earth? I rest my case on this matter and wil no longer try to badger, ridicule or even try to argue with anyone on this matter any longer. We beleive what we all want to believe and i would never say your opinion is totaly wrong because i know my opinions may be totaly wrong in your eyes.
I started this post becausei knew it would spark some interest an comcern maybe others had but was afraid to bring it up because of its sensitivity. i always stood up for what i believe in and i always will. I never meant to start the rumours flying or never said names or pointed blame to anyone. I never claimed to know it all just my many years of knowledge and hands on and know how..i still have lots to learn and i neve doubt or deny that.
But as with all other forums this is place to speak your mind on YOUR opinions to see if others share the same interest or concerns. I know over the last couple of weeks, i have probably read many differant concerns on this matter and have gladly taken in every one of them. Sadly to say for some, i still beleive what i want to believe and thats what makes me differant. If we all thought the same wouldnt this be the most boring place on earth? I rest my case on this matter and wil no longer try to badger, ridicule or even try to argue with anyone on this matter any longer. We beleive what we all want to believe and i would never say your opinion is totaly wrong because i know my opinions may be totaly wrong in your eyes.
Posted by someonecoolio
- January 08, 2005, 12:31:13 AMLOL -- didn't the originator of this post say they have been working with computers for several years ... then they break into this "waves" talk?
Anyhow, I cheat at Texas Holdem. I have three browsers set up on my better machine and two on my slightly weaker computer. Depending on how mean I'm feeling, I play 3 to 5 of the 6 seats in Texas Holdem. Kinda stregnthens the odds in my favor.
And P.S. -- the P5 computer doesn't exist. Not because I don't have one, but because I am educated and know so.
Anyhow, I cheat at Texas Holdem. I have three browsers set up on my better machine and two on my slightly weaker computer. Depending on how mean I'm feeling, I play 3 to 5 of the 6 seats in Texas Holdem. Kinda stregnthens the odds in my favor.
And P.S. -- the P5 computer doesn't exist. Not because I don't have one, but because I am educated and know so.
Posted by touitsjesse
- January 07, 2005, 03:30:12 PMQuoteThis just in from Pogo,
I wrote pogo too ask them about this and was their reply,
Collusion happens between two or more players. It can be defined as a strategy intended to take an undue advantage over the other players at the table. We have developed a "Collusion Prevention System" to detect such players and ban them from the site. The sophisticated systems are developed on a high level technological platform and work based on a combined set of algorithms, permutations and combinations. We have further modified our systems to filter the players who collude and identify them so that appropriate action can be taken against them.
the dictionary's definition of collusion is A secret agreement between two or more parties for a fraudulent, illegal, or deceitful purpose.
Now from my experiences and i dont claim to be an expert...the only way they will be able to tell if you are token dumping, they have to determine that both accounts are being used by the same person and the only way they might be able to legally detect this is if your computer is sending them electronic waves to them so they can match.And personaly, i dont think they can receive such waves, but with todays technologies, thier might be this slim and i emphasize slim chance that they can. All other ways i would say are ilegal on thier part...but this is my interpertations and claim to be no expert, but hey if theres other legal ways, i can not even imagine.
Posted by Homer
- January 07, 2005, 02:17:28 PMI never pretend to be an expert. There is always something to be learned. ;)
Posted by Jeffer
- January 07, 2005, 07:49:35 AMHmmm... Wouldn't it detect token dumping as well? While they don't say so, an algorithim that detects collusion should detect this also. :-\
Don't pretend to be an expert in programming and just thinking out loud. What do you all think?
Don't pretend to be an expert in programming and just thinking out loud. What do you all think?
Posted by El Barto
- January 06, 2005, 04:24:15 PMThis just in from Pogo,
I wrote pogo too ask them about this and was their reply,
Collusion happens between two or more players. It can be defined as a strategy intended to take an undue advantage over the other players at the table. We have developed a "Collusion Prevention System" to detect such players and ban them from the site. The sophisticated systems are developed on a high level technological platform and work based on a combined set of algorithms, permutations and combinations. We have further modified our systems to filter the players who collude and identify them so that appropriate action can be taken against them.
I wrote pogo too ask them about this and was their reply,
Collusion happens between two or more players. It can be defined as a strategy intended to take an undue advantage over the other players at the table. We have developed a "Collusion Prevention System" to detect such players and ban them from the site. The sophisticated systems are developed on a high level technological platform and work based on a combined set of algorithms, permutations and combinations. We have further modified our systems to filter the players who collude and identify them so that appropriate action can be taken against them.
Posted by bob@pogopal
- January 01, 2005, 08:03:33 AMQuote from: Jeffer on January 01, 2005, 01:21:16 AM
Random odds are a very peculiar thing. Here's the way I explain it...
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In most cases these things are just you noticing patterns that negatively impact you more than those that don't...
Actually, it can go both ways. As Gilovich explains in his book, once people have a bias in their perception, they notice events that confirm the bias more than events that completely invalidate the bias. At the casino, I am sure you have seen plenty of people who thought they had valid 'systems' for playing slot machines leave the casino penniless. These are cases where people noticed patterns that 'positively' affected them while ignoring the contradicting evidence to their own downfall.
Quote from: El Barto on January 01, 2005, 03:12:34 AM
I believe that some people just aren't good card players plain and simple and can't face the reality of it.
I don't think it is necessary to make a distinction between good and bad card players. That will just personalize the issue and make some people more entrenched in their prejudices.
Good card players are as susceptible or perhaps even more susceptible to these selection biases as anyone else. There is only so much a good card player can do with lousy cards, and I think the resulting frustration can encourage a good card player to blame the wrong factor. ie. cheating vs. randomness
Posted by Scarlett
- January 01, 2005, 05:49:18 AMI agree with both you I stink at Poker very rarely do I win big although I do know it's possible. I don't use the autos for that unless it's against the bots. I'm just horrible at that game and know it. There are a few players that look suspicious and have heard people complaining about cheaters. But they've said that when I entered a room and started playing and I know what I do or don't use and I don't use java hacks at all. SO some of it is just people trash talking.
Posted by El Barto
- January 01, 2005, 03:12:34 AMQuote from: BadgeHelpBob on December 31, 2004, 08:07:46 AM
In fact, I am willing to go out on a limb and state I know no such cheat exists. If one did exist, somebody would have sent me a link to it or a copy of it just to rub my nose in it. And nobody has done that yet.
How true Bob, if there was such a thing out there it would be plastered on every Pogo board and newsgroup out there and Pogo would have pulled the game by now because nobody would be playing it.
I believe that some people just aren't good card players plain and simple and can't face the reality of it. The see all these players on TV win big hands all the time and they expect to do the same on Pogo and when they can't they get mad accuse everyone else of cheating.